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I'm Michelle Sorro, host of Fire and Soul, a top 1% globally ranked podcast where practical mysticism meets embodied leadership. These are intimate conversations with visionary teachers, mystics, scientists, and cultural leaders exploring how awakening unfolds in real life through our bodies, relationships, work, and purpose.

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The Holy Undoing with Natasha Pampin Perimenopause, Menopause, Somatics & the Woman Beneath the Armor

The Holy Undoing: Perimenopause, Menopause, Somatics & the Woman Beneath the Armor

This isn't a conversation about aging. It's a conversation about truth.

There comes a season when everything you used to do to hold it all together... stops working.

The pushing. The perfectionism. The hyper-independence. The overriding. The armor.

And eventually, the body, wise as ever, says: no more.

Somatic experiencing practitioner Natasha Pampin has walked this threshold herself. At 39, when perimenopause began, she told her gynecologist, "You're wrong," and spent years trying to think her way around the very thing her body was asking her to feel.

Sound familiar?

This is one of the most honest conversations I've ever had on this show. We talk about numbness, grief, nervous system survival patterns, identity collapse, menopause, perimenopause, and what it actually looks like to stop abandoning yourself, not as theory, but as lived experience.

And yes... this one got personal.

I share openly about my own journey through menopause, emotional overwhelm, collapse, healing, and the long process of learning how to listen to my body instead of override it.

Because what if the numbness so many women feel isn't dysfunction at all? What if it's protection? What if it's survival? What if your body has been speaking all along?

This conversation beautifully breaks down somatics in a deeply human way, especially for the woman who says: "I don't even know what I feel anymore."

Together, Natasha and I explore what happens when a woman can no longer continue living disconnected from herself, and how menopause can become less of a breakdown and more of a sacred initiation into truth, softness, self-trust, and what many call the second spring.

In This Episode

  • Why so many women in perimenopause and menopause go numb, and why numbness is still the body communicating

  • What somatic healing actually means, especially if you've struggled to feel anything at all

  • The hidden nervous system patterns beneath perfectionism, over-functioning, and burnout

  • How unresolved grief and trauma live in the body

  • The difference between reacting to life and responding to it

  • Why healing happens in relationship, not isolation

  • The body's incredible intelligence and capacity to guide us home to ourselves

  • Menopause as initiation, not decline

  • What it means to soften after a lifetime of bracing

About Natasha Pampin Natasha Pampin is a somatic experiencing practitioner supporting women through perimenopause, menopause, trauma, nervous system healing, and the profound threshold of becoming. Find her at natashapampin.com and look for the Perimenopause Care section.

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